Required hazard mitigation and efforts to reduce risks to hospitals makes the Downtown Utica an undesirable location. As proposed, the downtown site is just 2,000 feet from one of the Northeast's Busiest Freight Railroads. We caution against hysteria and fear mongering, but this page explains why we ask, What's So Wrong With St. Luke's?
The Utica tracks Carry Many CSX Trains Transport; Chemicals, Gas, & Oil Tanks. Many are 100-car long trains traveling 55 mph.
The short distant between the proposed downtown site and these tracks, means a new hospital would be in a
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Check for yourself; "select and copy" this address - 400 Lafayette Street, Utica, NY 13502" - and "paste" it into the "Find an address" box on this page: Mapping risk by rail transport.
March 15, 2018 - Yesterday freight train derails, Route NY 5s closed, same CSX mainline passing with 1,500 feet of proposed Downtown Utica hospital site, which is a
Yesterday, another train derailment on @CSX tracks! https://t.co/XW9P6ZYEVi Near Albany NY, however same mainline passing within 1,500 feet of @MVHealthSystem's proposed #mvhsdowntown site in @CityofUtica #hazmat #DOT-111— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) March 15, 2018
Train hits truck carrying hydrochloric acid in Pennsylvania, evacuations ordered https://t.co/2ENmAWlFCH Meanwhile @MayorPalmieri @ABrindisiNY @AJPicenteJr @SenGriffo say okay to place Oneida County's new @MVHealthSystem into @CityofUtica "Red Zone"!— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) March 7, 2018
March 1, 2018 - Earlier this month Utica-area politicians state rail safety must be invested in, "...federal funding for vital programs to upgrade rail infrastructure and safety, at a time when these improvements are urgently needed."
February 15, 2018 - Just too common, and certainly very unwise to place new Oneida County, Utica's only hospital, so close to our CSX mainline.
Sadly news of train accidents are regular occurrences https://t.co/0XVSg7qA2l please note proposed #mvhsdowntown @MVHealthSystem hospital in downtown @CityofUtica is a "Red Zone", under 1,500 feet to northeast's @CSX freight & @Amtrak lines.— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) February 4, 2018
Elected officials cannot explain-away the facts. For example on February 1, 2018, Mr. Brindisi stated "... the exterior of the downtown hospital would be flame proof..", this is plainly absurd! Also, Oneida County has trained for very real oil tank hazmat derailments, view the City of Utica, Leland Avenue DOT-111 Training Center.
January 12, 2018 - Today these same trains are rolling through Downtown Utica, under 2,000 feet from where our hospital administrators and politicians have placed their hospital concept...
December 19, 2017 - "
Not the case at all... we're just stating a fact; the downtown site is very close to the Northeast's busiest rail corridor, while St. Luke's is on a distant green hill. Accidents continue to happen. Just yesterday in the early morning hours, how many people stayed home in Seattle because they though their train would derail?
Placing a critical asset in a higher risk area - our new regional hospital - and an area less conducive to healing, make very little sense. Consider this quote:
"We also address track safety in the bill. In 2006, track-related accidents surpassed human factors-related accidents as the leading category of all train accidents.
No fabrications; and as shown here OIL TRAIN EXPLOSIONS: A TIMELINE IN PICTURES where is states, "
November 27, 2017 - Accidents happen, that's one reason we have hospitals. It is also a reason critical hospitals should be constructed in low-risk areas, not beside hazardous railroad tracks...
Does anyone involved in urban planning or hospital site selection think @CityofUtica & Oneida County NY officials are smart? https://t.co/0ZQd8Aqrn0 We have our doubts https://t.co/SsAObxGZVI pic.twitter.com/Smbq6u7gjh— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) November 28, 2017
And here's the newest hospital concept...
Planners for the Oneida County Hospital concept cropped their 15 minute walking radius, forgot CSX tracks under 2,000 feet away. Consider: https://t.co/kfaRMDiQFt & https://t.co/34AUzJJOU5 pic.twitter.com/Y6ee0OMyQs— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) November 28, 2017
Derailment dangers, the noise, what are these people thinking? Just 1-3/4 miles away there is 64-acres, so What's So Wrong With St. Luke's?
October 17, 2017 - "Hazard Mitigation" and "Risk Mitigation"...
The danger is real, here's a 320 page "Lesson Plan" for
December 3, 2015 - Local news broadcast by Keith Hunt of News Channel 2, shows local Utica Firefighters training to extinguish a tanker train fire, watch his video Tanker Trains. Closing comment by then Chief Russel Brooks, "...were one of these fires to occur in this area, it probably would be beyond our capabilities."
Where are the oil trains coming from and going? View a map of the Bakken Shale Delivery Route Through Utica. What is the Bakken Shale?
A train's tanker cars carrying oil from the Bakken Shale formation have traveled around 2,000 miles before reaching Utica. Failures of equipment are hopefully found early, but there are risks with such long journeys.
Read October 6, 2017 comments from the #NoHospitalDowntown group on Facebook. Also this Breaking News: CSX train derails and Hits house in Northwest Atlanta... "I wouldn't want live that close to the tracks as much as I have a love and fascination with trains..."
Today Utica has three hospitals, St. Luke's is part of a medical district near Utica College. It shares a modern $15 million dollar co-generation power plant, a "green" micro-grid. St. Luke's has lots of room, 64-acres, enough space to Keep the St. Luke's home & Construct Eight Hospitals. And as you can see, they could Build a new hospital & medical office building, while the current hospital continues to function.
Why move the hospital into the compact area of downtown? The area is very close to CSX freight tracks hauling 100-car oil trains...
Why bulldoze Downtown Utica as many new developments are taking place? With Nano we will create even more demand for a vibrant urban city downtown. This, and Utica has Faxton Hospital expanding services, it just doesn't make sense.
Looking back to January 28, 2014, Governor Cuomo signs Executive Order 125 to, Take Action to Strengthen the State's Oversight of Shipments of Petroleum Products. "Whereas,
Search for listing of Governor Cuomo's Latest Round of Rail Inspections.
Looks like the Utica Fire Department is Practicing for a Tanker Train Fire
Take notice of this Homeland Security and Emergency Services Training Announcement (PDF) for TRANSPORTATION RAIL INCIDENT PREPAREDNESS & RESPONSE: HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE LIQUID UNIT TRAIN (HHFT)
April 10, 2016 - Of Trains & Hospitals Over the weekend someone from the medical community pointed out to #NoHospitalDowntown that the proposed downtown hospital would place the new hospital within 2,000 feet of the heavily used railroad tracks.
It was further reported that in the event of a train derailment carrying toxic materials, a certain radius around the crash site would need to be evacuated (for example, 2015 Tennessee train derailment). If this were to include the new hospital, a compound problem would exist; the hospital might need to be evacuated, yet potential accident victims would be seeking care at the hospital.
What of the dangers of moving the hospital, away from St. Luke’s, and within 2,000 feet of the well-documented concerns over “100 car oil trains”? These are factual statements, and scary concerns, which advocates for the hospital will simply say we are using to scare people- but if we just had those site selection studies, we all might know if such risks were analyzed and or remedied. But we the people don’t, so... As we’ve said from the start: No information, no studies, no reports, thus we remain #NoHospitalDowntown
MARCH 2, 2016 - Consider this Governor Cuomo Issues Update on Train Derailment in Ripley, NY, where we learn...
"Late Tuesday evening, I directed the State Police, Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services’ Offices of Emergency Management and Fire Prevention and Control as well as the Department of Environmental Conservation to respond to a 16 car train derailment on the Norfolk Southern line in the town of Ripley, NY in Chautauqua County. Two of the rail cars contained ethanol which leaked causing an evacuation of surrounding homes in the area as an emergency precaution..."
Toxic freight trains and nearby hospitals do not mix! Consider: Derailment + 1/2 Mile + Evacuation
Accidents happen, and who would have thought that our very own modernized Union Station would be struck by a train? Well it did occurred, for the story: Investigation continues after Union Station train crash, plus Video of Runaway Rail Car Crash in Utica.
Looking back, a 2013 article revealed: "
Our group wants a new hospital, however as we have said for over 2-1/2 years: the location is all wrong, Here's 20+ Reasons Why, but it conflicts with Utica's small scale and our Master Plan.
The Utica concept would equal another destructive phase of urban renewal for our downtown, and as the above story suggests - Springfield Regional Medical Center did not revive it's downtown. Take action, write a letter and or make a call... here the Contact Information you need.