#NHD Legal

They think they can take private property and give it to another private developer? Well, the last time we checked we lived in the United States of America! Please come for Downtown Utica, for your ignorant redevelopment concept. We will see you in court, and likely for a process that will take multiple years...


February 10, 2018 - The Oneida County Executive and City of Utica Mayor developed a legal document, mostly to bolster the MVHS application For their C.O.N., also for the Ongoing Hospital PR Circus, yet it's not enforceable...

Visit our MOU / MOA page that followed this story.


December 21, 2017 - Mohawk Valley Health System lawyer mentions "eminent domain"...

Also at the firm Bond Schoeneck & King is former Oneida County Executive, Raymond A. Meier. And this other politician was kind enough to respond, letters, lots of words, but No Real Answers, hey didn't Joe work with Ray?


November 21, 2017 - Perhaps under new management, and a "clean-up crew" to dust-off old content, but did they clear away all the "screen captures"? Remove all the incriminating posts? We think not. And to have a bunch of nice people stand shoulder-to-shoulder, proclaiming "community support"? Terribly flimsy thinking, and by all appearances, by very shallow thinking folks...

Someone shared this quote with us, "Everyone knows truth comes not from sophisticated elites, but from ordinary working people." Troubling too, our elites are not even that sophisticated.


August 13, 2017 - More closed-door meetings, why? Oneida County government officials hold closed door meetings on private Utica hospital garage funding...


Is This The Smoking Gun?: A contact reached out over txt message, and a few other exchanges, suggested a person with first hand knowledge of St. Elizabeth's financial background offered this:

Unfunded St. Elizabeth Medical Center Retirement Plan.

Is "Sin City" alive and well?


August 8, 2017 - Secret meetings, and Utica Headlines On Downtown Hospital Funding...


July 23, 2016 - How will the Utica-area politicians look when the national stage and the legal system reviews their actions for Downtown Utica and Oneida County healthcare?


July 15, 2017 - Editing tapes of City Hall's public meetings prior to sending DVD's to public access TV... why is the public seeing "doctored" video? Who controls the taping, the editing, and the distribution? Who are the vendor(s), their connections, and under what contracts? Don't bother asking City Hall, we'll let a court decide...


August 25, 2017 - Hospital going into Downtown Utica to help revitalize downtown? Can they really be serious?

Modern day experts suggest this rebuilding of the urban core is done best, Block-by-Block, and certainly not by bulldozing an neighborhood!

Titled “Older, Smaller, Better- Measuring how the character of buildings and blocks influences urban vitality” the report offers data that says a massive 34-acre hospital district is NOT what will make downtown Utica a popular destination to visit, walk, or live-in...

This study is written by a long list of urban planning professionals; companies and professional titles including:

NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION (President & Chief Executive Officer, Executive VP & Chief Preservation Officer, Chief Marketing Officer)
PRESERVATION GREEN LAB (Senior Director, Planning Director,, Senior Research Manager)
IMPRESA INC (President & Principal Economist, Senior Research Associate)
BASEMAP ( Founder)
GEHL STUDIO—A GEHL ARCHITECTS COMPANY (Partner, Managing Director, Urban Data Specialist), and
STATE OF PLACE (Ph.D. & Founder)

The premise of revitalizing downtown must be challenged! Especially since every Urban Benchmark Hospital they've offered fails to prove their proposition!


October 13, 2016 - Who is this company? We were told they were exclusively healthcare professionals, but that is not true. They are real estate investment professionals, they make money for high wealth individuals and they seek to make a handsome profit in Downtown Utica. We're watching the Hammes Company. Watch a very telling video...

Utica mayor has said he'd close streets, Give-away City Assets to the private hospital. What say would the taxpayers have? What if they don't want streets closed, or historic assets given away?


September 21, 2016 -Those that say they studied and carefully placed the proposed hospital into Downtown Utica, will their "hard work" really hold-up in court?


September 12, 2017 - The Oneida County and City of Utica public is told a single board calls the shots on Utica's three hospitals, this is false...


June 13, 2017 - We wonder, "Is it any crime to hide from the NYS Department of Health, and Oneida County residents, the true new hospital budget?"

Proponents say a big reason to going into Downtown Utica is the "economic development" benefits. However, how would one calculate such outcomes for the City of Utica and Oneida County if true budget figures are not used? For example, the MVHS CEO reports the budget he offered the Oneida County Legislators is fake, The Missing New $75-75M IT System.

Furthermore, our economic development lead agency (MVEDGE) uses some Very Fuzzy Math as well. Then our political leaders and hospital leaders shout-out, "It's Final: Hospital Going Downtown", yet finances of MVHS suggest the hospital's ability to borrow is not a sure bet. What gives?


September 1, 2017 - The Oneida County leadership and Utica City Hall craft documents, they're MOU turns into a MOA, but do they have legal teeth?


July 19, 2017 - Oneida County economic development agency, MVEDGE Acts To Derail City Of Utica Business Project...


July 11, 2017 - The Utica Common Council passed a resolution regarding the downtown hospital funding. The resolution was created by the council's economic development committee, chaired by Joseph Marino. Councilman Marino promised more information on the meeting and the resolution's creation multiple times. However, the information was never produced, citizens told to FOIL for it, and then...


May 8, 2017 - Letters, many words, but no real answers...


June 12, 2017 - Why are taxpayers being told the city will give away assets to a private company, when investigation shows it is very likely just a

Politicians' Downtown @CityofUtica Hospital #Hammes paves way? "When Real Estate Corruption Leads to Unjust Cities" https://t.co/3tFt0AgDuc pic.twitter.com/K5lWe8eBmJ

— #NoHospitalDowntown (@NoHospitalDwtn) June 12, 2017 ">Real Estate Investment Scheme? Taxpayers must demand a full accounting of the downtown concept, otherwise it must be stopped!


>July 5, 2017 - It has been a long and unproductive ordeal, leadership ignoring constituents, is there only one path?


July 5, 2017 - Our group has been using "screen captures", as our posts have been removed. Why can't there be open dialogue and debate? Why are critical views not allowed?


The hospitals (yes, with an "s"), its boards (yes boards, with an "s"), and those that have placed them in this position will be very vulnerable. Are they counting on a local court? A local judge? Only time will tell, oh, and we have LOTS and LOTS of time... too bad regional healthcare hangs, and hangs, in the balance!



No Studies, No Reports, thus we remain #NoHospitalDowntown